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Buy, Sell, Trade or Give Away / Re: Electric Foamies and gear for sale
« on: December 02, 2017, 09:15:40 AM »
Any idea what the Parkzone foamie is?
Why are you up so early.
Note that my airbrush ad now has a price on it, somehow I missed that.Is there any way to contact the people that viewed the ad?

Parkzone foamie - I don't know what it is, suggest you  call him.
I am always up early - somtimes 0400, more often 0500, occasionally sleep in until 0530! (In my working days, I struggled to get up by 0700, scramble around and get in to work by 0730 - what a life!)
There is no way to tell who has read something. I suggest that you put a Reply in to announce the price.

Buy, Sell, Trade or Give Away / Electric Foamies and gear for sale
« on: December 02, 2017, 05:02:47 AM »
Hi Gary,

Would you please look after posting this for Jim?




From: Jim Lancastle

Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 5:06 PM

To: Rolly

Jim Lancastle is leaving the hobby and has some good stuff for sale.









LI-PO'S .. 4 1300 Mah ... AA'S FOR RADIOS






JIM LANCASTLE   613-389-8874 or email

FPV at KRCM / Wilfs Simple Pan/Tilt System
« on: November 28, 2017, 07:48:05 AM »
Wilf has taken a slightly different approach. Here is his very neat Pan/Tilt system, as mounted on his new Sky Mule (attached pictures).

Some of the differences between his and mine:

I use standard Turnigy 5g servos hot glued onto the camera platform. At least at this time, my system uses a base which can be Velcroed onto whatever plane I want. This is the most compact and adaptable arrangement I could come up with.

Wilf uses Turnigy 180 degree sweep servos, one being mounted into the camera platform for Pan while the other is mounted into the base, to Tilt the camera platform itself. The Pan servo may be useful for gazing around to extreme angles. Tilt would likely never require much movement but, hey, he had these servos itching to be put to use, so ...! His system is slightly less compact than mine in some ways. He solidly mounts most of the servo into a cut-out in the plane, so it is less versatile, i.e., more effort to change to a different plane. However, he gets a more solid mount and his Tilt mechanism, I think, works out to be better than mine.

The other difference is that Wilf's system has actually been flown, while mine is still "ridin' the pine" as the hockey players say.   :(

A long time ago, Flypaper gave me a couple of little solid state gyros from helicopters. I plane to set one in between the receiver and one of the two axes, probably Tilt to start with. My Fun Cub is one of my test vehicles and I will probably try my Pan/Tilt system on it first.
I already use 7 channels of the DX9, so that leaves me with 2 for this camera system. No stabilizer for the plane, so having one or both of my camera system's axes stabilized may be worthwhile.

Wilf also has a couple of these little gyros kicking around, so he will probably beat me to trying this out, too!

General Discussion / Re: RIP Gord
« on: November 25, 2017, 09:01:21 AM »
Here are a few pictures I dug up from recent years. I may have more from long ago, I hope, and will post them.

Others are strongly encouraged to post their pictures!

At this sad time, we have to remember and fondly recall what he got from his hobby. Don't be afraid to laugh.  He got a great deal of pleasure from bringing smiles to others' faces - some of his flying contraptions sure did!

General Discussion / Re: RIP Gord - Obituary
« on: November 25, 2017, 08:52:57 AM »

General Discussion / Re: RIP Gord
« on: November 23, 2017, 04:23:39 PM »
Gord Clifford was not my good friend ...

Gord was my GREAT friend! I would like to share some thoughts with anyone who knew him and who might care to read on.

 My son Dan and I met him about 30 years ago, when we first joined KRCM. This unique fellow seemed to live on Pepsi and cigarettes and repaired small engines for a living and also for a hobby. Interesting character!  Later on, we learned that he was one of the 6 flyers who had pooled resources to purchase "our" flying field.

 Perhaps twenty years or so ago, he retired from his full-time job as a mechanic and general fixer-up of things mechanical so that he could spend his waking hours messing around with model airplanes. A lot of his energy transferred over to working continuously, often physically, to make our club better. He also gave up smoking, so apparently it was down to Pepsi for sustenance. On very rare occasions, such as at a Fun Fly, we might catch him eating a hot dog!

 Some may not realize the extent to which Gord read, and retained, anything related to aviation. During our many sessions of hangar flying, I was amazed and impressed with his extensive knowledge. Apparently he had a large collection of old aviation books and you almost thought that he knew many of the famous pilots.

 Very early on, we realized that this guy probably had forgotten more about engines and a few other mechanical things than most of us could ever expect to learn. When anyone encountered seemingly insurmountable problems with an engine, the folks in our Club had a standard response, "Go ask Gordy". Success rate? Pretty close to 100%, in my view.   

 The very first "giant scale" airplanes started to appear about thirty years ago, usually powered by converted chainsaw engines and the like. Gord was always on hand to help and sometimes to modify those beasts for model use. I have known him to take on a wicked repair job, spend long hours repairing and debugging and then return a nice working unit to a grateful owner. No charge!

 During my time at KRCM, hundreds of individuals have belonged to this Club. It would be hard to name someone who Gord had not helped. He was especially good with younger or new participants, having great patience and skills at imparting advice and knowledge. Some of us owe a lot to him.

 I saw dozens (hundreds?) of Gord's flying machines. I rarely saw a store-bought one that, right out of the box, he hadn't taken the knife to, saw or glue gun to bring it up to his standards. He just could not leave things alone!

 He really came into his own when he discovered the magic of electric power, foamboard and hot glue. Ideas quickly became wonderful things. He is famous for his many UFOs (Unusual/Unidentifiable Flying Objects). Most of them flew, many flew incredibly well and provided hours of entertainment for himself and others. Great times were had, as Flypaper performed, while the hoots and hollers poured forth from the Peanut Gallery. I think he enjoyed this as much as anything else in his days at the field.

 Gord was well into his 81st year. In the past, certain things that he had done or had happen to him he would refer to as being "a hundred years ago". After awhile, it made you wonder - could he really have been ...? Nah ...

 Today, I went out to our flying field and put up a flight. I thought about Gord. I did not go out there to mourn him but I did miss his company. I was doing exactly what he was able to do for the best part of his life and what he would want us all to do. Carpe Diem!

 Gord "Flypaper" Clifford. He was one of a kind. I sure am going to miss him. When someone asks a tough question, I will no longer be able to say, "Ask Gordy". We are on our own now. Thanks for your time, Gord!

Plans, Projects, Building and Flying Tips / Re: The Wonder of Drywall Tape
« on: November 22, 2017, 10:03:44 AM »
 Still on the topic of drywall tape:
I found a great way to prepare patches or hinges and to keep them on hand.

1. Lay down a strip of drywall tape on parchment.
2. Dribble some hot glue liberally onto it, crosswise, in several strips.
3. Lay down another strip of parchment on top.
4. Using a covering iron, smooth out this sandwich as much as you can. Don't worry,
    you will not damage either the parchment, the hot glue or the drywall tape.
5. Let it cool down for 5 minutes or so, then peel back one side of the parchment.
   Check to see if it looks like the entire section has been covered. If spots are missed,
   apply more hot glue in that general area.
6. Replace the parchment you removed, perhaps with fresh, and set it down again.
7. Repeat Step 4 and 5 until you are satisfied that there is a smooth, filled tape.
8. Flip the sandwich over and iron the other side.

 What you now have is a composite material (fibreglass strands and glue) that is thin, rubbery
and ready to apply to something.

 When you are finished, you can either leave your sandwich as is, or, pull off the parchments,
replace with fresh pieces and trim the resulting new sandwich. Now, you have a nice piece
of material, ready for use, easy to store. It cuts easily with scissors. Just lay it onto the target surface, no additional
glue required, then use a hot knife or spatula or iron to seal it down. Wipe away any excess glue
and you have a really neat repair, or a killer hinge!

Plans, Projects, Building and Flying Tips / Re: The Wonder of Drywall Tape
« on: November 19, 2017, 12:13:36 PM »
Very interesting idea about using parchment paper.
 I'm still thinking there's a better hinge idea to come. I do like a mechanical hinge because sooner or later my DW tape hinges shear off, even with the hotglue line.
Because we use foam to build, pin hinges only work for me if you reinforce them top and bottom. The flat mini hinges eventually pop off.
I'm working on it, maybe we can patent it .
On my recent builds, 2 flying wings using Elmers (Dollarama) foamboard and 2 made from the black foamboard (Dollarama), I use paper hinges. In other words, the paper that was already on the foamboard.

The black foamboard's paper is extremely well bonded to the foam, more so than the Elmers white. I use my break-off blade knife to carefully, during multiple passes, cut down MOST of the way into the foam. Then, I break the resultant line at the edge of the table. After that, I cut the bevel on the fixed surface, not the control surface, again being careful not to cut the paper joint. If you do happen to nick it, or cut a short length, it won't matter, as the whole thing will be stronger than needed. Then, I use a long sanding tool and sand the excess or wobbly foam so that there is a decent straight bevel and the surface can move freely.

 The final step is to seal these cut edges. Quickly run a trail of hot glue, using a high heat capacity gun, along the hing area and immediately scrape it with a scrap of foamboard or a plastic card. You will leave a nice thin film of glue across the hinge itself and will have secured the paper to the foam. Or, you could just paint the whole cut area with Mod Podge, etc., or with the polycryllic I use to waterproof and finish the whole aircraft.

 As this is all done on the underneath side of the hinge, the top will be perfect, with no evidence of the hinge, apart from its bend line! Very low resistance and completely sealed hinges make for a highly responsive control requiring minimum servo power. Refer to the attached picture, bottom view of hinge.

Plans, Projects, Building and Flying Tips / The Wonder of Drywall Tape
« on: November 19, 2017, 08:33:40 AM »
Great stuff - cheap, light, easy to work with, right up there with hot glue for usefulness in the foamology department!

I often use it to make hinges or to repair hinged or damaged areas. If you have to layer up foam or foamboard or such, this is the stuff to use. Having learned about it almost 30 years ago from Gord, I have built several large foam wings with balsa sheeting for small and large glow planes, without setting any spar material in place. Just place some strategically placed strips of drywall tape between the foam and the sheeting to distribute spar and other loading. As well, it can repair a major break in a structure. It has just enough stickum to stay in place.

The following photos show a simple way to create a multi-purpose repair tape:

1. Fasten a strip of the drywall tape to some parchment paper used for baking. That stuff is impregnated with silicone and neither melts, burns or sticks to anything.

2. Apply a light coating or some streams of hot glue to the tape.Don't overdo it, you will be spreading it out into a thin layer and if you run short, you can apply more as needed. My glue gun is an ancient, heavy duty Bostich fellow that has high heat capacity and a nicely formed tip that stays hot enough to re-melt glue.

3. Using the side of the glue gun tip, gradually spread and smooth out the glue. You want to just fill the open weave and leave a film coating across the whole thing on. If you get too aggressive, or if the glue is not hot enough, you will shift the fibreglass threads around and mess up your structure. Drywall tape is not actually woven, the threads are merely criss-crossed and lay in place due to the trace amount of stickum in them

4. Pick up your tape from its parchment paper backing. The underneath side should be shiny smooth. Cut it as desired - either knife or scissors work well.

 To apply a patch or to create a hinge, just lay the section onto the foam,  foamboard, balsa or whatever and apply heat with the side of your glue gun or, as I simetimes do, with a hotknife. (Aside: My hotknife is what looks like a  woodburning or soldering iron with a #11 Exacto blade installed. It has hundreds of hours of great use and I could not build or repair without it!) No need to add any additional glue, what is now in your tape will be sufficient to bond with the surface.

 My experience with drywall tape is that, if you make a hinge and do not have hot glue across the hinge line and/or is you have overdone the heating at the hinge line, it may break if it gets a good shock. If you have done as I suggest and have a completely coated piece, the glue film will add some strength and help to resist a shock loading.

 The final picture in this series shows a reinforcement at the elevon inner junction on a flying wing. Even on full scale aircraft, this junction is a stress riser and the designer has to ensure that it is well reinforced, typically with gussets on top and bottom or other structural features. with a flying wing, if you have an over-stress to the wing or  a hard impact to the nose, there is a high probability that a fracture would initiate at that location and the wing will fail. Been there (model aircraft only, not a real one!)

I hope this gives you some ideas for a rainy or snowy day.

FPV at KRCM / Simple Pan/Tilt System
« on: November 18, 2017, 09:34:36 AM »
Wilf and I obtained Foxeer cameras from Banggood. Wilf has used his quite a bit, mine awaits its first flight. I wanted a Pan/Tilt capability to play around with, something that was simple and cheap and compact.

I came up with the system depicted here, after some mockups in foamboard and old  hotel room plastic keys. This setup is made from thin plywood, hot glue and a patch of Velcro. I had some 5 gram servos lying around, which are ideal.

My idea is that this can simply be mounted on any of my planes, connected to a  5.8 GHz transmitter and probably with an OSD in between those two items.

As for how it can be used: On a flying wing, where there is no Rudder, that channel can be connected to the Pan servo. The Tilt servo, which is less likely to be used, can be connected to a knob or slider, or even to a 3-position switch.

On a plane which has a Rudder, there are several options for the Pan function: Use a separate channel and either control it via a knob or slider, or, mix that channel to the Rudder in whatever proportion is desired and then set up a Flight Mode to enable that function, possibly even disabling the Rudder itself during this Mode.

As for the Tilt function, if you were using a sailplane, then you could have the Throttle stick available to be mixed in to become the Tilt control, with or without the Motor enabled. I would likely do this with a Flight Mode that sets the aforementioned "Rudder" stick movement to control Pan and the "Throttle" movement for Tilt. This means that your Left stick is the camera controller while the Right stick remains as the aircraft flight controller.

If you think about it, when you fly in a real aircraft, your vision will tend to slightly lead any turn you initiate. (You do more extensive movement when performing a clearing turn prior to doing any aerobatics  or during flight in busy skies, such as thermalling in a gaggle with other sailplanes). During the resultant bank, you have already tilted this field of vision, even if you did not move your head up or down at all. At least in the case of my Mobius, with its original lens, it is already wide angle, so unless I wished to look back over the tail, I probably need very little movement in either the Pan or Tilt plane. What I can envision the Tilt  for is to perhaps have a fixed, slightly downward, setting that would be useful while setting up an approach - or possibly to help figure out where I am if I am FPVing and get lost!

Plans, Projects, Building and Flying Tips / The Power of Magnetism!
« on: November 16, 2017, 07:04:06 AM »
Do you, like me, get tired of hunting for that bolt, nut or other small metal item that you just removed from something and which jumped off the bench? Or worse still, it fell into the grass or dirt at the field and, of course, it is like no other one that you have immediately available!

I have a collection of the small rare earth magnets in different sizes, which I got at Princess Auto for a pittance. They have many uses, including canopy retention on airplanes, etc. Here is another:

 Either on a temporary or permanent basis, I stick them onto one or more of my commonly used screwdrivers and sometimes on some other metal tool or object. That way, when I am removing a screw, I just let it stick to the magnet on the tool until needed.  Depending upon the task at hand, my screwdriver looks like it has a swarm of bees clinging to it by the time everything is ripped apart. No more crawling around on the floor or the grass looking for an escapee!

VIDEOS and PICTURES from KRCM Events and Activities / Microwing
« on: October 28, 2017, 09:05:27 AM »
 This little mashup shows some test fights of Gary's MicroWing. This cool little machine costs next to nothing in time, effort or cash  to build and flies exceptionally well. Within this video are a couple of demos of my (original idea?) lawn chair launch technique. (I am working on doing lawn chair landings in the near future, hopefully of the non-destructive kind. Please stay tuned!)
 I am building another one at this time, because ... ? Who needs an excuse, when you are having fun, eh!

 Thanks again to Wilf and Harold for the video assistance.

General Discussion / Puddle Flying
« on: October 23, 2017, 07:22:08 AM »
I have a rather large puddle to fly from, Lake Ontario! If you are not as fortunate, do not give up, there is still hope. I found this little video to be rather fun and uplifting. Enjoy!

General Discussion / Huckoween - summary, etc.
« on: October 19, 2017, 08:31:47 AM »
 We had an outstanding first ever Huckoween this past Saturday. I will attempt to summarize some aspects of it.

 First of all, this was a significant, well attended event which had NO outlay of KRCM effort or financial risks involved. All we had to do was to issue an invite and lay out the welcome mat. No mess to clean up afterward, the only things left behind were a lot of great memories. The ideal fun fly?

There were 22 pilots registered, with just about all of them showing up despite the questionable weather prognosis. For many of them, ths involved a 6+ hour drive each way with airplane trailer in tow. Was it worth it? Of course it was!

 Some thanks are in order:

 Brad organized things, setting up the invite over at   
where you can catch up on the whole affair, including the videos which have been trickling in.
 Our Grounds Maintenance crew went to extra efforts to have this wonderful facility in the best possible shape. The grass was manicured, the clubhouse was all cleaned up (yay, Thomas!) and it was a place to be proud of. Our guests were impressed! Thank you, Marvin and Thomas.
  Food is important. Anyone who wanted some just had to throw in $5 and expect to rip off a couple of hunks of pizza, hand delivered from Capri Pizza in Amherstview, courtesy of Terry and Marilyn. Thank you, folks!
 Brad initiated a 50/50 draw and, as I enjoy pestering people and begging for money, I set out to scoop up some coin for the cause. These folks really do like to support any club which welcomes them, as the results showed. Tickets were $5 each, 4 for $15 or 5 for $20 (I had to talk fast so that the customer didn't have time to do the math of that latter part of that "deal"). When the dust settled, the winner (Mike "it only takes one ticket to win" Siemonsen) took home $195 or thereabouts, with the same amount being turned over to KRCM. Thank you to all who participated.

 The only expense incurred was to pump out the Portapottie, something that would have to be done this fall anyway. Thanks, Rolly, for thinking to get this done.

 There was a lot of remarkable flying done on Saturday in rather fine weather. None of this prevented anyone in our Club from flying, if they cared to. I flew some of my small stuff over at the side several times. The little Kwirl autogyro attracted some significant attention - sort of at the opposite end of modelling from the big stuff featured. I had hoped that the Halloween witch, Bubba or something else from the Flypaper collection would have would show up - perhaps next year?

 From what I have heard, these folks would love to come back again - either for another Huckoween or perhaps at some other time. A bit earlier in the Fall, say, late September might be better timing, or perhaps next Spring? Our field is open year round, the weather is usually good and predictable by April and it is a long stretch from that time until our Fathers Day Fun Fly occurs. Lots of opportunities!

 At the KRCM Meeting this week, great interest was expressed in doing this again!

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